• Upper Cervical Chiropratic: A Family Practice with Dr. Meg Banitch

    Upper Cervical Chiropratic: A Family Practice with Dr. Meg Banitch

    Upper cervical chiropractic is a specific system of analyzing and adjusting the upper cervical vertebrae of the spinal column to become healthy and stable again, significantly reducing pain. Dr. Meg Banitch’s family started the oldest upper cervical chiropractic office in the country, and it’s still going. She shares how her family started the practice, how she got into it, and how she transferred from full spine to upper cervical. She discloses how valuable having her father as a mentor was. Dr. Meg shares some of the amazing cases she’s seen during her successful practice of 30 years.

    Dr. Meg Banitch is a third generation Blair Upper Cervical chiropractor who has practiced for over 30 years. She has been such an amazing mentor and I’m beyond grateful for everything she has made possible for me. She has just recently retired and today she shares with us her knowledge, experience and history of Upper Cervical Chiropractic. Please welcome, Dr. Meg Banitch.

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    Upper Cervical Chiropratic: A Family Practice with Dr. Meg Banitch

    On the podcast we have Dr. Meg Banitch. Dr. Banitch has practiced the Blair technique for over 30 years. Her family has started the oldest upper cervical office in the country and is still going.

    I don’t know if it’s the oldest, but it is almost 80 years old now.

    It’s pretty impressive when somebody comes in the office that was your grandfather’s secretary. Dr. Banitch, where are you from originally?

    I grew up in a town outside of New York City, just 15 miles outside the city, so it was a suburb of New York. I currently live in Florida because Dr. Kevin’s doing a great job of changing locations, but I grew up in the town next to where your practice is.

    What were you into growing up? Any other sports or anything?

    I did every sport I could think of and very competitively. Thank God I had an upper cervical chiropractor through my father because I’ve had multiple concussions and injuries. My younger brother and I were pretty much daredevils, we would try anything. If we weren’t playing tackle football or ice hockey, we’d be trying to ride our bikes off of jumps with me. My first concussion probably was on a rope swing hitting a tree, and my second one was riding a bicycle into the telephone pole.

    Did you lose consciousness at all during any of those?

    The tree was a big problem. I laid on the couch to double vision for a couple of days, but I recovered.

    How often would your father check you guys?

    I don’t know if I really remember that. I would say at least every month, but I know when I was in college I didn’t get checked as often as I would’ve liked so I was always anxious to go home to get checked.

    At what age do you think it was where you decided to go into the chiropractic profession?

    I had worked with my father in high school during my summer breaks and I was just very impressed with the relationship he had with his patients, that he had such a passion and enjoyed it so much. I thought it’d be a great way to earn a living and worked for myself, control my own schedule. That having been said, I always knew we were a different family. I grew up in a chiropractic family, third generation actually, and we just didn’t go to medical doctors. I can remember the first time I ever met a medical doctor I was in high school, I broke my nose. I guess my father didn’t want to toggle it, so he said, “Let’s get this checked out.”

    No vaccinations, nothing.

    We grew up with no vaccinations, no shots, no medications. I’ve still never taken a prescription drug and hate to admit it but I just turned 60.Our medicine cabinet was full of band aids and rubbing alcohol, calamine lotion, all those kind of things. We’d have to have a bone sticking out or blood shooting out of some part of the body to go to a medical doctor.

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    Upper Cervical Chiropractic: We’d have to have a bone sticking out or blood shooting out of some part of the body to go to a medical doctor.

    Can you talk about a brief chiropractic history and include your grandfather’s story. I’ve heard you tell me the family had to move out of New York State because of the early days in chiropractic, the wall wouldn’t allow it. If you could just do a brief rundown of chiropractic history and your family’s history, because it’s very interesting.

    I really think it is and I’d hate it to be lost. I think a lot of the young people think it’s always been like it is to practice today at chiropractic and it really has not. It’s vastly different. We have our other problems today, but they’re not being locked up, going to jail for practicing your own profession. My grandfather grew up in Flushing, New York, right then New York but it was still farm country. My great grandfather had a pharmacy in Flushing. He was a very successful pharmacist and you have to remember back in those days, people didn’t go to doctors. They went to the pharmacy, they told their symptoms to the pharmacist and he pretty much worked up a potion to give them. I guess my great grandfather was called Doc and he liked giving natural remedies whenever possible. My grandfather was actually ready to go to pharmacy school when a medical doctor, friend of my great grandfather said, “There’s this new profession. I’m kind of intrigued by it. You should check it out.”

    He got on the train in 1920 and went to Davenport, Iowa. This family story I heard was he got really sick on the train and he got a high fever and could hardly drag himself off the train, so somebody from the school picked him up and drove him to the Palmer Clinic and he got his first chiropractic adjustment. I guess he recovered and he was dedicated to becoming a chiropractor. Back in the 1920s, it was really young profession having only been discovered by DD Palmer in 1895. The school was pretty small, but the students there were very dedicated to and excited to become chiropractors. He graduated in 1921, it was only an 18 month program at the time, and he was only 21 years old. He got a little adjusting table that could fit on the back of his bicycle. Went out and he actually started a little practice in Wisconsin because he said he want to practice with people he’d never see again.

    Then he went back to Flushing and opened his practice. He had a very successful practice all through the Depression and everything, but chiropractors we’re not licensed in New York at the time, so you’re always under threat of being arrested. In 1938, he was arrested for the second time and went before a judge, and the judge said, “I’m going to let you pay your fine and leave, but if you come before me again, you’re going to jail.” Not being too excited about going to jail for his profession and having a son starting college and a daughter in high school, he decided to look for another state. He moved across the river to New Jersey where things weren’t that much better. They had been briefly licensed in 1921. They licensed 80 chiropractors then repealed the law. He started practicing in New Jersey again without a license, but there was a lot of political movement. Reminds me a lot of political turmoil today, that people are just fed up, they’re in the streets, they’re demanding things. He did move to New Jersey, Montclair, and I’m glad he did. It’s a beautiful town. I wouldn’t want to live in Flushing today.

    Those pictures that you see are the old chiropractic pictures of people picketing outside the jails to get their chiropractor out of jail. Those are real pictures?

    They’re true. I have a fairly interesting book about chiropractic history in New Jersey called A Profession Persecuted by Dr. Vernon. He was chiropractor. You can still get it on Amazon Used I think. If you’re interested in chiropractic history, it’s fascinating. Anyway, both my father and grandfather were very involved in that political movement. My father, after we’re serving in World War II went to Palmer in 1945.By then it was a four year program and all HIO. BJ Palmer was running the school. I’m very envious that when my father went to Palmer, he had three and a half years of Upper Cervical care.

    What is HIO?

    HIO was called Hole-In-One, but it was Palmer upper cervical recoil technique, so it was a toggle technique where the patient would lie on their side and it was the precursor really to what Dr. Blair developed with the Blair technique. A very specific X-rays are taken. You’re only going to contact the upper bone in the neck and make an adjustment. Both my father and grandfather knew BJ personally and they thought he was the best chiropractor ever, BJ was very ahead of his time. He had a big research clinic and he had medical doctors in there that would do the entrance exams for the patients that field doctors would send there and they check them out or they would get strict chiropractic care then they’d be reexamined again. That leads me into why BJ picked HIO upper cervical. He felt that the most impact you could put into the nervous system was at the upper cervical level, and that only makes sense from a neurological standpoint of view. He developed the HIO technique and he was very strict about it. The patients would get a stand, as we say, with an instrument every day at the same time. They would be followed and if they were holding their justice, they would not be readjusted until they went out of pattern or the leg checks went off again.

    My father was indoctrinated with upper cervical and so were all of his friends. I can remember being a young child and hanging out with his friends, and they really talked about full time chiropractic and upper cervical, it was really exciting. My father went back to Montclair in 1948 when he graduated. Chiropractors were still not licensed in the state of New Jersey. New Jersey was one of the last states to actually license chiropractors. One of the things that the profession did, the old guys got together and they said, “How are we going to fight this?” Because it really was an attack by the medical system or society on chiropractors. They actually had spies. My father would tell me they would, the medical society would send out people to pretend they were patients. If they came in your office, became a patient and you treated them, you’re going to get arrested. What the chiropractors did, they weren’t idiots, they took pictures of these people, the investigators are spies. When they’d go to trial and they’d have the investigator up there testifying, chiropractor would take pictures. Pretty soon my father said you would open your upper drawer and you’d have the pictures of all the spies in your area who you weren’t supposed to let into your office. It really means that you are developing a referral practice. If somebody walks through that door that you didn’t know was referred by one of your existing patients, you had to really check into them, see what they were up to.

    If they did treat one of those people, they’d go to jail?

    Actually, they would go to trial, and they would pay a big fine because that’s how the medical society got their money to run their licensing board. They would get fined. They would pay the fine and go back to work. I looked up one these fines, a doctor got fined $1,700 in 1946. In today’s dollars, $20,000 for actually doing your job, which I think is ridiculous. That was one of the things they did and it was successful. The other was they rallied the troops, they got a grass roots effort. They had a group called the Citizens Chiropractic League of New Jersey and that was about 5,000 people they signed up that would rally, picket, go to assemblies to support chiropractors. I can remember also hearing a story where they had one of these groups in Madison Square Garden and they sold out the Garden, they had chiropractic speakers. These people knew what chiropractic meant to them, the patients, and they weren’t going to let their chiropractors go to jail. Yes, I heard of stories where chiropractors are in jail and they’d have office hours, people show up, they’d adjust them, and leave them as long as the jailers were probably taking a cut. Chiropractic has a really interesting history and I encourage people to really check into it. The chiropractic finally got licensed in 1953, but we were under the medical board. There was one chiropractor on the board and the rest were all medical doctors. Then things went along and as the profession gained steam, we actually got our Chiropractic Licensing Board, which licensed you 1989. I was actually still licensed under the old medical board in 1983.

    Was that kind of stressful? Was the medical board, even though it was chiropractic, were they telling us what we can do, what we can’t do? Were they really limiting our scope?

    I think they were limiting it to spinal adjustments, X-ray analysis, but if you’re a straight chiropractor that was fine with us. It was only more recently that the chiropractors have tried to widen the board from licensing.

    You decided to go to chiropractic school and what was chiropractic school like when you went? What was your experience like?

    Palmer was pretty happening there. That was the years I went out in 1980. I guess at that time there was a lot of fight with the CCE determining what would be taught in school and how broad a scope we would have. The funny thing is though, I grew up thinking that all chiropractors practice the way my grandfather and father did, Upper Cervically. I went to Palmer, my first student doctor in the clinic sat me down and did a rotary break on me. I turned around, they twisted my head around, and I turned around to her and I said, “I don’t know what that was, but you’ll never do it again.” I quickly found that there were other types of chiropractic and I sought out upper cervical student doctor for the future. I went through Palmer no problem, and of course going back when I started practice, chiropractic was already much more accepted. Although I can still remember people asking me why I didn’t want to be a real doctor when I told him where I was going to school. I can remember my father being called a quack, but it was much more accepted in the 80s and the biggest thing is we also were included insurance companies. That helped to level the playing field that people would come in, if money was an issue, they could go to a doctor that was in their insurance plan.

    What was it like for you coming out of school, your first couple of years out in the office? Did you start right away with your father in the office?

    Yes, I did. Being the good rebellious daughter, I said, “I’m not going to practice the way my father did.” I knew all kinds of modern things, new stuff I was taught at school. Having had the Palmer package, where you go through about eight or ten different techniques and you become the master of none, Jack of all trades. I did a little Gonstead, a little Diversified. It wasn’t working at all.

    Were you still toggling?

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    Upper Cervical Chiropractic: As an Upper Cervical doctor, you’re constantly analyzing and giving the body time to heal.

    Yes, I would toggle but I didn’t know Blair yet and I didn’t know how to take the more specific X-rays. About two years into practice, I was very unhappy. I thought I should get the miracles that I’d seen my father get over the years. I took a look at it and I said, “I don’t know if I’m cut out to be a chiropractor.” I really was very depressed and upset when I couldn’t help people or people didn’t come along the way I expected or I take X-rays and I think it was one listing and adjusted and nothing would happen and I flip them over and then they get better. I was really at my wits end. I really thought I was going to quit.

    It was frustrating because there wasn’t a lot of holding going on?

    It wasn’t a lot of holding going on. I didn’t feel the results were what I thought they should be and I probably had unrealistic expectations having just come out of school. My father said, “Before you throw in the towel, I’d like you to go meet Dr. Muncy and take the Blair technique. Now Dr. Blair had already passed away at that time, so I didn’t take the classes from Dr. Blair, but I took it from his successor, Dr. Muncy, who was the greatest, the greatest man. I had a couple of good mentors, him being one and Dr. Forest, who I know you’ve already interviewed being the other, but I took the classes and it was like this light bulb went off on the top of my head and I said, “This makes so much sense and I can see myself doing this.” I really liked the analytical part. I’ve always done well in math and sciences, and I had a protocol I could follow. I came back all charged up. Once I started doing it, I’m not going to say it was easy to learn, but things started to really fall into place and I became much more confident and I saw my results skyrocket.

    How did that work for you? You’d have to fly to California to get taught, right?

    Yes, I did. I went to Lancaster, California.

    Then when you got home, you would just review everything with your father and he showed you a couple of things?

    I had the greatest advantage of having my father as my mentor because he had been already doing it for over twenty years at the time. He took one of Dr. Blair’s first classes in the early ‘60s. It’s very tough for young docs that don’t have a support system or somebody to ask questions too.

    I had a two year internship and I was very lucky just to even have you for that extra year because you. I thought I had it all figured out and then I learned so much from you, like it was just unbelievable. Definitely a support system is definitely needed.

    It’s why it’s called practice. Continue to learn every year you’d practice.

    How long did it take for you to feel comfortable to actually start doing Blair adjustments on your patients after switching over?

    I started doing them right away. I had been doing some toggle. Like I said, I was a little bit of a daredevil. Challenge me, I’ll do it. I can remember the first month I was in practice, my father said, “I’m going to the ICA Convention.”He just disappeared. I had people walking in and they’d look at me, and some would walk out. It didn’t work on appointments at the time, it was walk-ins. I’m thankful for the people that had confidence in me and let me care for them. To become really skilled as a Blair doctor does take a few years.

    Why do you think some students should choose upper cervical over full spine technique?

    Dr. BJ Palmer researched it and found that the best results and most dramatic results came from adjusting the upper cervical spine. The good thing about an Upper Cervical is you get fantastic results. That flip side of that is you have to educating your patients or some people get such dramatic results. They get their one HIO adjustment, hole-in-one and they leave. They don’t get educated on what’s really happening. I would say as an Upper Cervical doctor, you’re constantly analyzing and giving the body time to heal. As a matter of fact, Dr. Blair said that adjustments don’t make people well, holding the adjustment makes people well. You have to give the body time to heal, and the beauty of that is it’s less physical on the doctor. My father practiced till he was 86, the year he died and I can remember in his 80s he would still have toggle offs with doctors and students at Blair seminars, and he had a fantastic toggle. He could still toggle the egg without breaking it, which only means something to a few odd balls out there.

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    Upper Cervical Chiropractic: You have to give the body time to heal and the beauty of that is it’s less physical on the doctor.

    Why should students choose upper cervical? Unfortunately, most students get in Upper Cervical because they have a personal experience like yourself. They’ve tried everything. They’re desperate. They try it and it works for them. It would be nice if more doctors would get the chance to intern or hear from upper cervical doctors what it’s all about. I think a lot of students get out of school and they don’t have confidence in their adjusting, that’s all they need. They have to add a lot their things, try to heal people, but really if you’re clearing the nervous system, upper cervical, you’re going to get fantastic results and the patients love it. Having practiced over 30 years, I had so many people come in that had tried other chiropractors, and they found that the upper cervical and our office was much more effective, and they really didn’t like having their neck popped and cracked. When they would get adjusted, you’ve probably already had this. They’ll look at you and they’ll go, “Is that all you’re going to do?”You have to have that answer down, that standard answer, “Yes. That’s all you need. You’ll come back next visit and you tell me how things are going.”You just have to love your patients and educate them. They really love upper cervical. Once they get it, they become so loyal and they’ve literally can’t live without it. Like you see, you have people who start with my grandfather, my father, myself and they’re not going anywhere else. It’s made a dramatic impact on their lives and they will search it out. I think the students should check into it, get under care, experience it themselves.

    How would one student get involved if they’re getting excited about Blair? How do people get involved in just learning about it?

    Some of the schools we have Blair Club, so that would be the best way. If you’re at a school where there is a Blair, you already have this group of students. You have the benefit of knowing very early on what you wanted to do and go to school with a mission and a purpose of learning Blair. I think any Blair doctor in our society, if a student called them up and said, “Can I shadow you for a day?” Would be open up their office and more than happy. I’ve had that happen many times in my office, just give me a call. I’ve heard about Blair and what it can do, I’d really like to see it in action, so that’s the best way.

    Can you just touch briefly on the annual seminars?

    Every year we have an annual conference, three days of intense upper cervical. It’s just great because you get to see your friends from all over the country, and I’d encourage students to come to that. We usually have a very discounted rate for them, sometimes even free rooms.

    You get to meet all the doctors and you can gravitate to which one you feel fits you best. Mostly everybody is very open and they’ll tell you everything you need to know. Dr. Banitch, you have a very successful practice for 30 years. What are some of the more amazing cases you’ve seen in your office?

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    Upper Cervical Chiropractic: You can make a change in a young person’s life when they’re that young, you know you’ve changed the course of their life.

    I have to say I’ve been retired now six months and my brain doesn’t work as quick as it used to. Sometimes when you’re in your office you just expect miracles, we see miracles every day and they don’t seem that big a deal anymore. Every once in a while, I like to go back and read through my testimonial book. One case that really stuck out with me was a child. Kids are great because it’s so exciting to take care of children in the office. They’re not coming in for low back pain or sciatica. They’re coming in because they have some serious health issues. You can make a change in a young person’s life when they’re that young, you know you’ve changed the course of their life. I was able to help kids with asthma, bedwetting, constipation, chronic ear infections, motor tics. One case really sticks out in my mind. It was a six year old daughter of a woman in Montclair. First she sent me an email and I told, explain what her daughter had. Mostly bedwetting was their chief complaint and asked if I could help. I wrote back and said I could. The interesting thing about that is she was not a patient in my office. She just probably read on the Internet, “Chiropractic or upper cervical and bedwetting.”“Please come in for a consultation and do you want to become a patient first so that you know, she’d be more comfortable with it. She didn’t have a problem with that, so I started taking care of this six year old girl.

    That was one of those amazing ones were toggled did the first time, it was like flipping the switch. She was six years old but never had a dry night, her mother said. Which is okay when you’re in diapers. When you’re supposed to have gone through potty training and both your parents are exhausted because every night they get up and get the kid out of bed and take her to the bathroom. If they forget to pull on the rubber panties, the bed is wet. She said it was really having a whole impact on the whole family. Not only did her bedwetting clear up, she had had chronic constipation. She said that, not only did her bed wetting clear up, she had had chronic constipation and she said that was also like flipping a switch. She had normal bowel movements again. And thirdly, she had always had temper tantrums, and she said after she got cleared, no temper tantrum. The mom, as soon as the kids started misbehaving would bring her in and sometimes she’d be off, sometimes she wouldn’t. If she had a wet night she’d definitely bring her in. Bottom line is probably a year later, she doesn’t have any of those problems. She’s not constipated, she’s not bed wetting and her mood swings are not like they used to be. She just wrote me a nice testimony about how it impacted the whole family, her sister, her husband herself. That’s really gratifying.

    How do you think the upper cervical is affecting the bedwetting and everything? How do you think that’s making that go?

    We know that the nervous system controls everything, all the body’s functions. Your brain is the super computer analyzing information from every part of the body, and making little corrections, to send proper information back to those parts of the bodies. I don’t know if bed wetting it could be bad information in or bad information out, so it’s either the muscle control or the feeling that you have to go to the bathroom, or the unconscious sphincter control that we’re not walking around peeing on ourselves, our body knows it’s not appropriate time to go. Neurologically, every function in the body’s under control of the brain and nervous system. When you make a specific correction, and we did it to the upper cervical, we didn’t do it to the nerves that are directly coming out of the bladder. The body made a correction and brought itself back to homeostasis and proper body functioning.

    Another case I thought of, because I know you’re getting the Meniere’s patients coming out. That’s one of the most debilitating diseases. Meniere’s is a problem in the inner ear where you just start getting dizzy, vomiting and you can even get dropped syndrome, where you’re just walking along and you fall over because your body can’t keep its balance. One patient that comes to my mind with this was Maria, she worked in Manhattan. Everyday she’d get on a train and go to work, and she never knew when one of these episodes was going to hit. She would get halfway to work on the train, then maybe it would start as she gets in her office and it would start. She’d be vomiting and so dizzy she couldn’t walk, and that had to be terrifying. Sometimes she’d have to call her husband to drive into New York, pick her up, and then drive back home. She started care and started seeing results immediately. She would still have episodes. The key to upper cervical is getting the patients to stick with it because sometimes they’ll get a really great symptom relief or change initially and then they can have relapses or they can go through tough periods. You have to really get the patient to understand what’s going on and the process it’s going to take. If people stay with you two or three years, then we get maximum potential to heal up properly. She did, she’s probably still your patient because she even feels the hint of a little bit of dizziness or that, she’ll be in your office. I don’t think she’s had any real big blow up Meniere’s episodes recently, in years even.

    One more case, Jack. This is the case where you should never give up trying to educate people. I know I was always disappointed when I would talk to people and they’d say that doesn’t sound like for me or I don’t think you can help me. Even your friends, if your friends don’t even come in the office, you wonder like, “What did I do wrong? They don’t trust me.” Sometimes people just don’t get it. My first year in practice I had a really nice lady come in and she got good results. She wanted her husband to come in, but he’s like, “I don’t need that.”It took her seven years to convince Jack to come in. Carol finally convinces Jack to come in. Jack comes in and he’s a pretty powerful businessman and no nonsense stuff. He’s also in his 70s and has severe arthritis. I’d say already had about three joint replacements. All his hands and feet were puffy from inflammation and just really bad shape. I did my thing, I told him about the chiropractic story, took the X-rays, adjusted them and then he had to drive to a business meeting in Philadelphia. You don’t want your patient after their first Blair adjustment to hop in the car and drive two hours and a half hours if you can help it, but he had to go. Two and a half hours later the phone rings and my assistant comes back and says Jack’s on the phone. I was like, “Oh, boy.” It’s like you’re holding the phone a foot from your ear. What’s going to happen? He said he wanted to call me because he’s felt the best he has in years. Here’s a man in his 70s, total degeneration of the spine and just that one adjustment, he noticed a dramatic improvement. That’s why I say you really have to continue educating people and never give up.

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    Upper Cervical Chiropractic: You really have to continue educating people and never give up.

    I remember my first week or so in practice, the highway got shut down and everybody showed up at once. There were ten people in my waiting room. Every time I peeked around the corner, everyone’s just looking at you like, “When am I going to get seen?” It was a very overwhelming experience that I couldn’t prepare myself for until it happened. I always remember you saying, “The most important thing is just taking care of the person in front of you and making sure you’re giving them the most undivided attention you can, and then see the next person.” That really stuck with me in that moment, and I learned that from you. Where do you think you learned that from and how has that served you over the years?

    I totally agree that if you’re feeling overwhelmed, you have to focus on what’s in front of you, because if you’re focused on the ten people sitting outside waiting for you, that’s a bad thing. It also doesn’t do justice to the person in front of you, because now having been in other offices, gone to other healthcare practitioners, I would say you can tell when somebody’s listening to you or somebody is thinking about their golf game or date later, whatever. It’s really important to connect with that person even if it’s only a short piece of time, give them your full attention and they really feed off of that and know that. I think they’ll also be more respectful of your time. They’re not going to want to hold on to you for fifteen or twenty minutes if they know people in the office are waiting for you. You can have really good quality time with a patient in just a few minutes. You may be the only person that’s going to listen to them.

    Sometimes I don’t want to be a psychologist, but sometimes you have to be, and most of the time it just means listening, validating their pain or their problem, giving them hope. Many times people would start breaking down during the consultation saying, “Doctor, if you can’t fix me, I don’t know what else I’m going to do because I just spent so much money and I’ve gone here and here and they tell me there’s nothing they can do for me.” Really focus on the person in front of you and you will be rewarded in not only your own concentration, but they will become very loyal and love you to death.

    Another thing is tooI find when I’m just going too many days straight and working too much, it can show up in the office. How did you balance work and fun and vacation? Just a balanced life over the years?

    I do think that’s a really key issue. If you’re not 100% in your office and be able to give 100% of yourself when you’re in the office, you’re approaching burnout and you better do something about it. I saw too many old time chiropractors that they didn’t have a good balance. They lost their families or they lost their health. They had guys just dropping dead of a heart attack, you know? If you truly love what you do, it’s really not work. I know that’s how my grandfather and father practice. I saw that in their practices, but we also had family time and we did things together, not according to my mother. It might mean our vacations were going to a homecoming at Palmer every year, but it still was family time. I think it’s important that when you need to balance out your life, you have good friends, have good relationships and have great friends in chiropractic. I have no problem with that balance. I took a lot of vacations, had the fortunate situation of working with my father for 25 years so I could go without worrying about the practice. I do think that you have to take time to yourself and it doesn’t have to be a lot of times. Sometimes it’s just two days and you come back all ready to go. Sometimes when you get a little bit down, attending conferences with your friends. Blair meetings for me were really given me, pumped me up, give me direction, get back on focus. I do think it’s important to take time and even if it’s only just a three day weekend or four day weekend once in a while, just to get yourself fall back on track.

    Speaking of balancing work and social life, how are you enjoying being retired?

    I’ve only been retired six months, but so far I’ve really enjoyed doing what I want, when I want, and not feeling responsible for a lot of other people. I can’t say that that’s going to last forever, but right now I’m enjoying it and one of the big pieces of that puzzle that I could make a latitude change and move down here to Florida so I could sell and do outdoor activities I enjoy, and not shovel snow. It’s finding you. We’re very much alike and I know you’re going to take great care of all the patients up there and you’re dedicated to Chiropractic and Blair and you’re very good communicator. I think that you’re going to do great up there. That gave me the peace of mind to explore the possibilities for myself.

    I am forever grateful for you and I think you know that. It’s a dream come true. You, handing over the practice, have just been a dream come true for me and I can’t thank you enough and I really appreciate it. It’s been amazing. I’m so glad I’ve got to even work under you for a year and learn so much.

    Thank you and I wish you all the best, Kevin. Thanks for having me on your podcast.

    Thank you, Dr. Banitch. We’ll talk to you soon.

    Take care.

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