• Eastern Medicine And Acupuncture with Roberto Andrade

    Eastern Medicine And Acupuncture with Roberto Andrade

    Not everybody can fit into a single way of healing. Each one of us is different and that goes with what our bodies need. Talking about another side of healing is Roberto Andrande. As a true healer and an acupuncturist, Roberto shares about Eastern medicine and his field in acupuncture. He talks about the importance of philosophy in the acupuncture world as he lays down some metaphors and the use of language that go around with the healing process. Covering muscle and vial testing, he also talks about how it guides him into identifying what the person needs. Roberto generously shares his insights and tool belt, giving a peek into the patients he has been seeing and the cases he has helped.

    We have Roberto Andrade. Roberto is an acupuncturist out of Florham Park, New Jersey. He is extremely passionate and amazing at what he does. Roberto is a true healer and is able to help facilitate healing in people with some serious neurological issues, Lyme disease, chronic pain, nutrient deficiencies, thyroid issues and much more. He uses a variety of techniques such as acupuncture, dry needling, cold laser therapy, muscle testing, vial testing and more to help the nervous system heal. Roberto also touches on the five key elements to help you thrive in life. If you feel like you were always tired, in pain and not feeling well, you may want to consider the big five. Please welcome, Roberto Andrade.

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    Eastern Medicine And Acupuncture with Roberto Andrade

    Thank you for coming on. We share a lot of mutual patients. It’s amazing the things you’re able to help do for them and heal them up. I’m very grateful to refer to you. How are you doing, Roberto?

    It’s an honor to be here. I think you do some great things. You’ve got some great people coming on here.

    I appreciate that. Roberto, where are you from originally?

    I’m a Jersey boy, born and bred. I was born in Summit and raised up around here in the Morris County area.

    What were you into growing up?

    I’m a product of the ‘80s, so Ninja Turtles, cars. When I was in elementary school and stuff, that’s how I started martial arts and that got me into the whole Asian philosophy thing. In high school, I took a lot of Taoism, Buddhism, meditation.

    What martial arts were you into growing up? There’s a variety you can get into.

    It gets nuts out there. I started with Okinawan karate called Isshin Kempo with this guy, Chris Goedecke, who’s out in the Convent Station. I started that when I was six. He’s like a second father to me because I never stopped. I still continue that to this day. For about ten, fifteen years on and off, I was doing the Afro-Brazilian martial arts of Capoeira. I taught a little bit of that to get me through acupuncture school at one point. I’ve had a few stints where I was in China and I studied Tai Chi and a martial arts called Xing Yi.

    How long were you over in China for?

    Accumulative total time of about a year. It was broken up. It was great. I’ve traveled a lot over there. It’s changed a lot. Every time I go back, it’s a different landscape.

    Did you go over there as a study abroad thing while you were in acupuncture school or you went down there on your own?

    I started when I was in my undergrad. I went out there to study language and culture. When you go there, you’ll see people are doing stuff at the park or around the corner. They’re always doing stuff like Tai Chi meditation exercises, Qi Gong. You seek it out. It’s easy to find anything. I’ve gone back a few times. I went back a few years ago to a place called Wudang Mountains, which is the birthplace of Kung Fu. I stayed at a monastery there with a friend of mine. We were there for a few months training Xing Yi, which is one of the major influences on Okinawan karate.

    How did you get into the healing profession?

    I graduated in Chinese and physics from my undergrad. My physics thesis ruined it for me. It was one of those things where you have such a love for something and you get too academic about it, takes it away. I was stuck in a lab the whole time. It ruined it for me. When I graduated, I was hell-bent on going to China to either teach English or I was going to stay here in the States and get a doctorate and teach Chinese. I was like, “Give me one of the two.”

    You weren’t even looking to get into like healing or anything as of that point?

    At that point, no. My mother was a Foreign Language teacher and that was a big influence on me. I took a year off of college. I was teaching karate full-time at the time trying to figure things out. Something clicked in my head where all the legendary martial artists, they’re also the village healer. That resonates with me and I love working with my hands too. I said, “What kind of healer do I want to be?” I looked into becoming a chiropractor. I looked into osteopathy. At the time, I was getting into some deeper aspects of meditation and thinking about Meridians. The more I thought about it, the more acupuncture seemed to fit the bill. I asked around and interviewed a few guys. There are two basic schools that are like the Yale and Harvard of acupuncture schools. They’re on the East Coast.

    It’s the NESA, which is up in the Boston area and PCOM, which is the Pacific College of Oriental Medicine, which was in New York City. I was like, “I’ll check them both.” I checked out the New York campus and I didn’t even bother with NESA. I loved everyone there. Everything clicked together. I love the philosophy and the fact that they were very heavy on biomedicine and it wasn’t sticking to a specific dogma of acupuncture or TCM or Traditional Chinese Medicine, it was called. If you look at a lot of schools, it’s not a bad thing. Martial arts is a big thing in my head. Everything is Kung Fu styles. You have all these different styles of acupuncture. I’m always looking for the best one.

    You probably knew a lot about the philosophy of it from martial arts. Did that translate over pretty well?

    Absolutely. Speaking Chinese helped a lot. It’s interesting going through acupuncture school where the majority of people don’t speak a lick of Chinese. You have all these terms that you’re trying to translate over. I already had it. I’m like, “Yes, I get it.”

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    Acupuncture: Sometimes getting too academic about something you have so much love with takes it away.

     

    How important is philosophy in the acupuncture world? When I was looking into chiropractic school, people are like, “You don’t want to go there. They don’t have a good philosophy.” Me being very naïve about chiropractic, I was like, “I don’t even know what you’re telling me right now.” When I got to the school I was like, “This is what they’re talking about.” Some chiropractic techniques won’t even talk to the other chiropractor techniques. It’s that dogmatic.

    It’s the exact same thing in acupuncture school. It’s like third graders in the sandbox. There’s a lot of dogma. When I first started acupuncture school, I was trying to adhere to what I thought was the closest to something like a monastic, Taoist. Everything has to be zenned down. I want the quietest room possible. I want to prepare each point before I needle it. It was a great feeling for me. It’s so funny because I look back on it now and it was completely different. I always say I was raised by chiropractors because I went to PCOM. My anatomy and physiology people were chiropractors. My orthopedics guys were chiropractors. All of these people were chiropractors. They have this influence on you. You have your philosophy behind things, you don’t necessarily want to push that on people, but at the base of everything, it’s medicine. The biggest thing is you’re trying to approach the person as holistically as possible. In acupuncture, they do everything. I say acupuncture but it’s Chinese medicine you would say.

    That’s interchangeable then?

    For the purpose of the interview, it’s interchangeable because the person who does oriental medicine or Chinese medicine, you’re looking at lifestyle, diet, herbs, acupuncture. I know you guys had talked about cupping and stuff like that.

    Also from a chiropractor’s perspective though.

    It’s similar. A lot of it is the same thing. A lot of the words are interchangeable. That’s a big part of what I’ve done with my practice is to try to translate things for people. There is a long history of Chinese medicine. We’re talking about thousands of years. In most countries, especially out of the US, medicine was practiced as part of a family tradition. It was passed down from father to son or uncle or nephew. A lot of that stuff wasn’t written down, with competition and things like that. Especially in China and Japan where they have a love of poetry and metaphors, a lot of the processes that they were describing for the body are things the wind comes into the body and the righteous chi comes up to meet it. They’re talking about you catching a cold. They have all these descriptive words and things that interestingly enough, you think people wouldn’t take literally but they do. I spent a lot of my time trying to reverse the process and ground things as much as possible.

    I’m sure you’ve found out a ton when you got into practice because you’re seeing it live and you’ve got to rearrange things in that order too.

    I always tell people, and this is true, any profession, if you treat out of the textbook, you’re almost destined to fail. You need that clinical experience. A big influence of mine was asked to my main mentor, Ken Andes, up in Ramsey, New Jersey. He’s was my main mentor and a huge a friend of mine. He introduced me into the world of Applied Kinesiology and Muscle Testing. It’s interesting how you can apply that. A lot of it is the same, the contact reflex stuff, the CRA. He got his skills from several different people who are chiropractors. Some of the Ulan Group out in Florida, Georgia, Gonzales out in LA, who’s also a huge influence on me with the quantum neurology stuff. Stephen Kaufman, who does the pain neutralization stuff in Colorado.

    Are they chiropractors?

    They are all chiropractors. Steve is also an acupuncturist, so he talks about Meridians and things like that but his take on it is interesting. It’s almost like taking the Meridians and overlaying them with the dermatomes, patches the skin rather than highways of electricity. He does great. The thing with all three of them is they all had very specific forms of muscle testing that hone it into a very subtle and very irrefutable test. It’s one of those things where there’s no gray area. It’s funny you take that and then you go to a bunch of seminars.

    They might be missing something.

    There’s a lot of stuff. Growing up with that medically has been a big influence on me because then I can see what works and what doesn’t work. My practice tends to be very eclectic. I tend to think of the different acupuncture styles as different tools. You might have ear acupuncture for one thing or might do something you guys might call dry needling or trigger points for something else, or we might do like meridian work like the dermatome stuff to get some internal medicine components to it. You let the testing guide you in a way.

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    Acupuncture: The body is immensely complicated, but it’s meant to run on simple instructions.

     

    That’s pretty much first and foremost in your office. You let the muscle testing guide you into what that person might need?

    Correct. The body is like immensely complicated, but it’s meant to run on simple instructions. You need that like entry point into what the person needs the most. I’ve seen anything caused everything. It’s one of those things where I was like, “I don’t care what it is, I need to know what it is.”

    What’s your yes and your no for muscle testing?

    That’s where I break out of that.

    I know there are a ton of different ways to do it.

    This is one of the ways that we’ve been able to break out of the mainstream stuff. It’s less so much asking questions and more about seeing a change in response. It’s like the old Sesame Street thing where it’s like, “One of these is not like the other one.” You’re talking to the body in binary. It’s like, “This is on, this is not on. Let’s take the signal that’s not on.”

    How are you telling if it’s on or off?

    It doesn’t matter. There’s a strong response or a weak response. You can use those words. Other people tend to use the word lock.

    Are you doing muscle testing like that, like raising the arm and down? What are you looking at to take that response?

    It depends. If we’re doing pure muscle testing and not Apply Kinesiology for a specific muscle group or a specific isolated muscle, then honestly it doesn’t matter. I’ve had people who were completely paralyzed from the collarbone down. I’m sitting there testing head movements, trying to get that resistance. One of my very first teachers in Applied Kinesiology was this guy named Jay. He was also an acupuncturist. He went to PCOM as well. At PCOM, we weren’t allowed to do muscle testing in the clinic. A lot of traditional TCM, they check your tongue, they check your pulse. They ask you ten questions, so tongue, pulse and ten questions. Jay is like, “I want to muscle test here.” What he did was he tested the lat muscle. The person was laid out and it looked like he was taking their pulse. It was good. You find ways to sneak it in. As long as you can find that, the nervous system can give you a shift and you’re sensitive to it, you’ve sensitized to it, then you can use anything for that because you’re less looking less for the muscle and more for the neurological response. For me, I use a lot of vials in my office, vial specific testing. One of the things we’ve looked at over the years is the acupuncture points less so much for therapy and more for diagnosis.

    I’m not familiar with the vial testing.

    With contact reflex analysis, you’re contacting different areas of the body. They might be over an organ that you’re getting some pressure on or different points might be representative of different functional things. How’s your body regulate blood pressure under stress? How’s your body regulating testosterone? How’s your buddy reading a stomach acid? It’s not too much stomach acid or too low, you’re just seeing what the dysfunction is there. Sometimes though the reflex points are on top of multiple different structures. There’s a Ph point that’s on your stomach that could also be if you have rib issues or your abs are sore from doing too many crunches that day or you have an intestinal problem, or you’ve gone a radiating liver issue. You don’t know. The specificity comes out when you start seeing relationships to those different points. With the vial, they’re basically homeopathic signals of the different things. I have homeopathic Ph signal. You put the vial on the body and then you get a response from that.

    If they’re deficient in something and you put that vial next to them, it could gauge your response that the body might need it or might not?

    There’s a dysfunction. In the case of a nutrient deficiency, let’s say we have a kit of all the minerals. You slap the kit on and you see if there’s a shift in the change. Let’s say the body has a strong muscle, you put the minerals on, it goes a weak. Something in there is not congruent with their system. There are some issues. Through some further analysis, you can figure out if they have too much of something or they need something nutritionally or do we give it to them in the form of supplement or what do they have to do? Everybody has different algorithms for that stuff. Ken and I have tried over the years hone the best algorithm we can. With muscle testing, a lot of it is like that question an answer. If you want the best answer possible, how can we ask the best question? That’s the question that’s most pertinent to this person’s imbalances? If there are multiple, what are the relationships and how can we get their whole body up and running? Power the system back on.

    Do you have to be careful with the language you use then?

    Absolutely. I might say, “I’m seeing something in regard to your thyroid here. I don’t want you to freak out,” because people immediately go to Dr. Google and they’re like, “I have thyroid cancer.” Your thyroid needs a little bit of a salt. Go salt your food.

    Roberto, I want to lay out your tool belt here and get into what kinds of patients you’ve been seeing in your office and the cases you’ve been able to help because I know you see some pretty serious stuff. You’re able to help them with some serious stuff. I remember I had one patient in here that said they went to you and her sinuses were swelled shut. She said you put a needle on the left side and the right side and at the top of her head. They completely started pouring out like draining. I thought that was very amazing. I know you see a lot of cool things and you’re able to fix a lot of things. What kind of things do you see in your office? How are you able to fix it and heal people up?

    I think of myself more like a mechanic. If you come in and I can find reflexes to shift, most likely I can help. Probably over the course of my career, I’ve only turned away three or four cases that I honestly didn’t think I could deal with. I’m a big believer that the body can fix it. That’s essentially what we’re doing for every case here. A lot of people go to acupuncture for pain. They always think, “Acupuncture, that’s for back pain and for migraines or something.” I think I hear somebody use it to get pregnant and that’s it. For me, I have a lot of patients that want to ditch their primary healthcare to come to me because they feel like I’m addressing them as a whole. I don’t advocate that because you still need to have a primary for multiple reasons. I do tend to run the gamut for everything.

    The youngest patients I’ve ever seen was two weeks old and the oldest was 102. They come in for everything. They’ll come in for any kind of pain. I treat a lot of neurological disorders. A third of my practice is pediatrics. I have a lot of women’s health people, but I would say the bulk of my practice is come to be what I term medical throwaways or like medical wreckage is what I coined it. Years ago, I tried to survey all of my backlog of patients. We found that I was on average like the eighth or ninth person that they had seen for whatever it was they were going through. A lot of times it was the last stop.

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    Acupuncture: Everybody has their own perspective and tries to work with their own tools.

     

    You have these people that bounce around. Everybody has their own perspective. Everybody tries to work with their own tools. A lot of people get angry at other doctors for not understanding things, but a lot of times it’s their training and what they’re exposed to that are guiding their decisions. They want to help. It’s for a reason. They come to my office and they’re like destroyed. They’re nutrient deficient up the wazoo. Their nervous system can’t organize itself against the common anything. They’re riddled with stress. They don’t know how to handle it. They’re calling for help or they’ve been through a lot of other naturopathic people. I can’t tell you how many people come to my office with like a garbage bag full of supplements that they don’t know what to do with. I tend to be the minimalist and I’m like, “Let’s weed through all this crap or get rid of it and start fresh. Take what you need. Let me guide you step by step, build you up, get you back up to healing.”

    Which doesn’t happen overnight either?

    For some of those cases, it doesn’t. That’s why sometimes my practice is hard to get into because I have these cases where the healing process is going to be months or sometimes longer and it builds up to the backlog sometimes. I do have a nice peppering of different types of people that come in. It’s nice to have like the chronic Lyme disease person. The next room I’m seeing someone who stubbed their toe. You’ve got somebody who’s fighting off a cold or a kid who’s got a stomachache. It’s fun for me. I say I’m an acupuncturist because that’s my license, but I think of myself as more of maybe like a naturopathic type of physician who has acupuncture as one of his tools. A lot of people come in and I would say, “It’s a nutritional thing. You don’t even need acupuncture. Don’t worry about your fear of needles because you don’t need it.”

    Have you had a good success with Lyme’s disease?

    Absolutely. When you look at the whole Lyme’s disease process, I’ve seen amazing things. There was a big shift in my thinking back in 2012, 2013. When I met this woman that came in, she was trying to lose weight. She was a little overweight. She had been to one of the prominent Lyme disease specialists in the area and was told that she had Lyme as well. She was given this enormous protocol to do. Thought to herself, she said, “I feel like I want to lose weight and get a little bit healthier before I go through this. I don’t think I have the strength to go through all the IVs, all these supplements and all these therapies.” She took a hiatus from work. She rented a cabin in the Catskill and took a page out of this movie called Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead, which is about this guy from Australia who basically gets put on a vegetable juice diet for two months. He loses his weight and gets off his medications. That’s what she did. She was on a juice fast for two months. She came back. She lost the weight. She looked great.

    She went back and redid her blood work and all of her stuff was gone. All of her Lyme was gone. All her coinfections were gone. She was not showing up with having any toxins. All of her biomarkers were great. All of her reflexes with the muscle testing were great. I was like, “What do you do?” She was like, “Nothing.” I was like, “I get it now.” The body is built to do all these amazing things and as long as you can organize it and give it the resources, it will do it. Looking at things from that perspective has been a boon for me because I don’t fear that stuff anymore. It’s not a complicated case anymore. It’s another thing. Let’s give the body to get back.

    You mentioned you do regular needling, dry needling. I know you do some laser therapy as well. Let’s get into all the good stuff you’ve been doing over there.

    The needling stuff is great. I do multiple different types of needling. There are people who are super sensitive, and you can barely touch them or like look at their vertebra and then they move and adjust. There are people who you need to break out the jackhammer and hit them. The same thing runs through acupuncture, especially for orthopedic stuff. Dry needling, for those of you who don’t know, it’s basically when you’re going in with an acupuncture needle and you’re getting the muscle to trigger or jump and move for those medically inclined that you’re hitting that Golgi tendon reflex. Getting that contraction in the muscle, trying to reset the muscle neurologically so that it can reset back to a normal, relaxed state or a more normalized state. That’s great. A lot of people aren’t comfortable with that because sometimes it hurts. It’s uncomfortable and this and that.

    A lot of times I use these types of needle called Sujok Needles, which comes from Korean hand acupuncture, which is like reflexology. They’re these tiny little baby needles that they’ll even be used for acupuncture facials and stuff. They’re the most painless things possible and you can use those for a variety of different things. Bridge into the traditional AK stuff where a lot of the different muscles have the correlation to an organ or Meridian or that kind of thing. You can use the tiny little needles that flick them in, which is painless and get the muscles to turn on and reset. A lot of times with that I’ll use that in conjunction with Arthur stem, that’s my jackhammer very specifically to stimulate some of the points or get a few things to tap back into place. I don’t use a lot of point acupuncture. A lot of people get surprised when they come in and they’re like, “I was expecting to be like on my back looking like the dude from Hellraiser, needles all over my body. I’m not going to be able to move.” They come in and I flip four needles in the back of their wrist, one in their toe and then I leave them for ten minutes.

    One of the things also we’ve noticed is that when you’re doing acupuncture, because you’re dealing with the nervous system that the changes are instant. I would say 60% of what you’re going to get from the acupuncture is in those first two seconds and then 85% is going to be in those first two minutes. After ten minutes, maybe that’s like 99.5%. If you stay for an hour, hour and a half, maybe you get the full 100%. Most people don’t have time. They’re dropping the kids off at soccer and stuff like that. They come in and do some acupuncture. They show up for ten, fifteen minutes and they’re out the door. It gives me plenty of time to get work done, answering any questions and things like that.

    For those needle phobs, I’d use cold laser therapy a lot. The cold laser stuff a lot of people might be familiar with it, a lot of people not. It looks like a glorified laser pointer but for medical use. There are different frequencies you can use for different shifts in the body that you’re trying to trigger. You’ll see mostly red because most people are trying to stimulate something. A lot of people have found over the past years that I have something in the green spectrum is actually a little bit easier to use because instead of having to try and figure out whether you have to upregulate or downregulate something, the green laser tends to what we call harmonize it. If it needs to upregulate, we’ll upregulate it, if it needs to downregulate, we’ll downregulate it. A lot of times I’ll use the green laser.

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    Acupuncture: Everybody reacts differently to acupuncture as they do with chiropractic or any other kind of therapy because everybody’s a little bit different.

     

    Do you do the meridian points off of that with the laser or how do know where to go with the laser?

    We’ll do the acupuncture points for that. We’ve been able to map out specific areas of the body. You can do a combination of using the laser. This is where George Gonzales in LA came in because his biggest thing is using muscle testing for neurological recognition. If the body can recognize that it’s been through a change then a lot of times, more likely than not, it will go through the change. We use the muscle testing while we’re doing the laser work to get the body to recognize and for us to understand when the body’s accepted the signal. What it will look like is me putting the laser on a reflex point or an acupuncture or an acupuncture point. Usually, it’s on the hands that I’m using and I’ll be muscle testing at the same time. Let’s say it’s weak. The signal is weak and then it strengthens up. All of a sudden, the body has accepted the signal and a lot of people will sense what’s called an arc or an autonomic reaction. They’ll get a sense of buzzing down their body or they’ll break a sweat a little bit or they’ll feel something.

    We enacted a change then we go back, we recheck what it was we were trying to change to make sure it happened and then you move on. It’s systematic in terms of how we move through everything. It works great with kids because kids heal quickly. They don’t need a lot of input, so they don’t have to fear a needle. We can do it with the laser. What kid doesn’t like a laser show, to begin with? It works great with the cranial nerve. I think one of the examples for the sinus thing, and I took a page out a yearbook here. It was the cranial nerve XI, which was the accessory nerve for the head and neck muscles. I was like, “This person is locked up at the atlas, at the top of the spine.” There are two points there which you can activate with the needle. I lasered them at that point on top of the needling to get some recognition there and then all of a sudden, she was like dumping stuff out of there.

    You obviously see a lot of crazy neurological stuff in your office. Anything goes when you reset the nervous system, do you notice things start sometimes get a little worse before it gets better, or people will have weird symptoms for a day or two and then it will calm down?

    In my practice, I’m not a big fan of drama. I don’t like a lot of drama. I don’t feel like dealing with it and the patient doesn’t feel like dealing with it either. Usually, nowadays most of it is either the person might feel a little bit tired for 24 hours or they feel like a burst of energy. I always feel bad for the parents that bring the kids in who get that because then the kids like hanging from the ceiling. Most naturopathic schools are like, “That person needs to feel like crap for a little while.” You know it hit home. We were at a point where we were integrating a lot of homeopathies with the acupuncture and with homeopathy you see a lot of that healing crisis, a Herxheimer response.

    We were having these Lyme patients, who were hurting on the table in front of us. We would do something with the acupuncture and within seconds, these people were having a hard time. They were sweating. They were incredibly uncomfortable. We’re like, “This is like we’re making a change.” How can you deny that acupuncture does nothing when instantly you can see all these autonomic shifts in somebody? It rode the line a little bit too much and it’s such a pain to explain that to a patient and it’s uncomfortable. I’ve moved away from that and found smoother and smoother ways of doing that. For the most part you might feel a little bit tired. Most people take a nap on the table and then they feel like a little zenned out for the day. You hope that they feel better. Everybody reacts differently to acupuncture as they do with chiropractic or any other of that kind of therapy because everybody’s a little bit different.

    Did you have any injuries with martial arts and everything that acupuncture was able to help you out with?

    Funny enough, I never got acupuncture until I was in acupuncture school. I’ve had many injuries with martial arts. I was thinking about this. It’s funny because you don’t see things like the whole hindsight thing. When I was fourteen, my older sister was incredibly sick with Lyme Epstein Barr, it crashed her system. She had other things previous to that, but it crashed her system and got her into a place where it was not good. My parents drove around the country with her. She ended up in New Mexico after two years. She was seventeen at the time. Nothing was getting her better. We’re talking about a 5’1”, eighteen-year-old girl who weighs 54 pounds, skeletal. Weak, pale, couldn’t hold down food, immune reactions to everything. My mom was like, “Enough. I can’t stomach this.” They brought her out to New Mexico, Santa Fe. It was a team of a massage therapist, a homeopath who was doing NAT, which is like the allergy desensitization stuff, and acupuncture to get her better. A year later, she was back up to weight. She was going to college. She put it all behind her. It’s so funny because that was such a prominent thing at the time in my head. You put that stuff behind you. I was remarking in my head about it. I was like, “Those are like a lot of the cases that I’m treating.”

    Roberto, if you had one piece of advice that you would like to give the audience that resonated with you over the years, it could be anything, what would it be?

    I always say to people to stick to the big five. The body is incredibly complicated, but it’s meant to run on simple instructions. The big five are one, have good food. We’re placed on this Earth and there are other things on this Earth that are supposed to feed us and help us heal. Dogs do it. Other animals do it. Every other animal on the planet heals off of food. Get the good food in and stop eating the crap. Number two, get good water, good hydration. Gatorade doesn’t count. Sometimes coconut water is a little bit too much sugar. Get good sleep. Try to arrange your day so you don’t have to wake up with an alarm clock would be ideal, but that’s difficult for most people. Number four, we get good movement. The body needs to move. You’ll see that a lot from a lymphatic standpoint.

    The lymph doesn’t have a heart. Your blood has a heart to pump it. The lymph doesn’t. You need to get all the garbage out of your body, so you need to move. Your joints need to move. The body is meant to move. Spines meant to move, everything needs to move. Get good food, get good water, get good sleep, get good movement, and that last one is to have good relationships. We’re supposed to be social creatures. Talk to your family, talk to your friends, get the stress off your body. You see these cancer cases that have spontaneous remission because they got their life in order. They started hanging out with their friends again. They started getting sleep. They stopped worrying about stuff.

    I feel like most of our country is doing some serious damage in four to five of those at least. That makes sense. Even movement, nobody’s moving. Everybody’s sitting at desks all day. They’re commuting home and then they’re sitting down and watching TV and they start it all over again.

    It’s hard. You see the movement thing is its own discussion. You have all these people who don’t move at all and then they moved too much on the weekend. The weekend CrossFitters were like, “I don’t understand why I’m having heart trouble and my knees are blowing out.” I was like, “Let’s talk about that.”

    Roberto, thank you so much for coming on. I enjoyed this episode. I’d love to have you back on anytime.

    Thanks so much for having me. I’d love to come back. You’re doing great things. Keep it up.

    Thank you. I appreciate it.

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